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Poster: SpaceBoy64 Date: Nov 29, 2004 4:22pm
Forum: prelinger Subject: making DVD from MPEG2 hi res format

I have a technical question for people who know how to make DVDs.

I downloaded several Mpeg2 files from the Archive.org site. They played fine on one of my sister's DVD players , even off of a CDR (the other DVD player would not play them). When I got home I found that my DVD player, a Phillips which claims to play everything you could come up with, played the files, but they were squeezed horizontally to the right half of the screen. The result was the same playing on my PC with Windows Media Player. Intervideo WinDVD plays them correctly.

I tried using Sonic's My DVD program to create a compilation DVD of them. When I click the BURN button, it says it's transcoding the video, which takes forever, and hasn't yet successfully created a DVD. Today I expected it to be finished, but the program had shut down for some reason and did not burn the DVD. now the program won't work at all (error msgs.)

In the temp folder there are transcoded video files, which play full screen in Windows Media Player, but there is no audio. I cannot find any separate audio files either.

I thought that DVD video was MPEG2 encoded. I didn't think I'd have to convert them at all. Why are these MPEG2 files different? What is the difference between MPEG2 and m2v ?

Now that I have the video transcoded, is there a way to separate the audio from the original files and add that back?

Why is this so difficult?

Thanks in advance,
-Don

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Poster: Visual16 Date: Nov 29, 2004 9:46pm
Forum: prelinger Subject: Re: making DVD from MPEG2 hi res format

Just goes to prove that this "standard" is a myth. For months, I learned about resizing the frames to a given standard, and the 48khz required soundtrack resolution etc and even then various hardware would or wouldn't work...or various software programs would or wouldn't work. So each film has it's own story.
I really hope that companies that sell any type of A/V product are liable if the stuff they sell doesn't work. By thorougly confusing the methodology and standards formats no one can pin them down for selling junk. In a truly scientifically controlled industry these problems certainly wouldn't arise. It is the work of incompetence and greed which creates "offshoot" technologies which sort of work sometimes under certain situations.

The thing I most deal with is that on one level I am very very thankful for all this free media to play with and enjoy. I only wonder if the people here realize that if they took an hour to make sure it worked, it would save everyone on the receiving end from having to hassle an hour to fix the thing. I mean, if Microsoft sends out something with a problem, every single user has to deal with it and it literally wastes millions of man-hours when they should have sent it out working in the first place. I think everyone in any field of the computing industry needs to have this idea central in their ethic of operations.

I love this website and it is the fastest thing on the Web!! What I see is that if someone reports a film with a problem, sometimes it will be months or never if it gets fixed..I almost wish the converse were true. Some of the files drag and drop immediately to VCD or to DVD. I almost wish there were an AOK database so there wouldn't always be that risky feeling before trying to burn something.
If you haven't tried the free TMPGenc, get it. It will open and burn more than 95% of the films to VCD. For DVD the many factors make for less accuracy.

This post was modified by Visual16 on 2004-11-30 05:46:46

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Poster: MichaelD Date: Nov 29, 2004 11:16pm
Forum: prelinger Subject: Re: making DVD from MPEG2 hi res format

Yes, the MPEG2 used here is a multiplexed (video and audio in one channel) format that also seems to use some kind of odd interlacing. Anyway, here's what I've done using a Mac and OS X.
First I convert to DV using ffmpegX. This is a shareware app that can convert almost anything to almost anything else. You can get it at http://homepage.mac.com/major4/ (well worth the 15$). ffmpegX has a DV preset that has worked well for me. Since DV is the format used by digital video cameras, it is a pretty rigidly defined standard and it can be used by the iMovie and iDVD apps that come with the Mac (or with iLife) or with Roxio Toast.
I don't know if this is the best way, but it has worked for me to produce a few DVDs. It results in the best picture quality and least jerkiness of other methods I've tried (such as burning directly with Toast).
Good luck!

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Poster: SpaceBoy64 Date: Nov 30, 2004 7:52am
Forum: prelinger Subject: Re: making DVD from MPEG2 hi res format

I have tried Virtual Dub and it will not load these mpeg2 files.

I had TEMPGEnc and the trial period ran out. I guess it's only free for 30 days. It seems to work right up until I try to transcode the video, then it tells me it can't load the video, and then a window pops up tellng me the trial period is over, so I'm not sure it's going to work even if I pay for it. I'll probably pay for it anyway though.

Are there any other apps that will convert these mpeg2 files?

I did notice that "What You Should Know About Biological Warfare" and "Co-ed Secrets" both play fine full screen on my DVD player. The others were squished to the right half of the screen.

I'll try that Mac app though, thanks!

-Don

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Poster: SpaceBoy64 Date: Dec 1, 2004 9:03am
Forum: prelinger Subject: Re: making DVD from MPEG2 hi res format

I'm still not having any luck with this. Could anybody give me any suggestions?

I'm just curious as to why the Mpeg2 files aren't DVD ready like I thought they were.

I know I'm not the only one who having this problem.

Thanks,
Don

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Poster: A/V Geek Skip Date: Dec 1, 2004 11:30am
Forum: prelinger Subject: Re: making DVD from MPEG2 hi res format

Try DVD-Lab. It's a Windows app.

I can directly import the MPEG-2 files into DVD-Lab and it will demux the file into a video stream and audio stream before it makes the final VOB file for the DVD.

I was never able to make a DVD with MyDVD - even with video from other sources.

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Poster: SpaceBoy64 Date: Dec 1, 2004 1:40pm
Forum: prelinger Subject: Re: making DVD from MPEG2 hi res format

Thank you,

I'm downloading it now. I'll let you know how it goes.

ffmpegX was too complicated since it consists of a lot of different unix apps that you have to download individually and they were hard to find.

Thanks again,
Don

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Poster: SpaceBoy64 Date: Dec 4, 2004 2:24pm
Forum: prelinger Subject: Re: making DVD from MPEG2 hi res format

I tried using DVDlab and it seems like a nice program, but it didn't really help.

It doesn't do transcoding of video. It told me right away that the video was the wrong size. I used TMPGEnc to transcode the video and audio, but even then DVD-Lab wasn't able to burn a DVD for me. It had problems with memory. Whenever I tried to compile the DVD it said "Out of Memory", and then it wouldn't let me save the project. Also, at times it had trouble with the audio files, not recognizing them.

MyDVD told me that the bit rate was too high on my video, eventhough I used the NTSC DVD encoding template in TMPGEnc.

I'm very frustrated.

Thanks,
Don

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Poster: Skip Elsheimer Date: Dec 4, 2004 2:42pm
Forum: prelinger Subject: Re: making DVD from MPEG2 hi res format

Which file are you trying to make a DVD of?


Skip

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Poster: SpaceBoy64 Date: Dec 4, 2004 2:46pm
Forum: prelinger Subject: Re: making DVD from MPEG2 hi res format

Several. Movies like "How to Keep a Job" and "Perversion for Profit".

I guess the format is supposed to be SVCD, but I've noticed that some are 480 x 480, and some are 368 x 480. Most of them play squished to the right side of the screen. My DVD player doesn't recognize them.

I wanted to make them "standard DVD" so they'd play in any machine.

Thanks,
Don

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Poster: Skip Elsheimer Date: Dec 4, 2004 2:57pm
Forum: prelinger Subject: Re: making DVD from MPEG2 hi res format

Hmmm, these were digitized before I started doing the digitizing.

I would use FlaskMPEG to transcode the 368 x 480 to 352 x 480 which is legal for DVD.

The 480 x 480 should be legal for SVCD. You probably won't be able to mix files with different resolutions.

Skip

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Poster: SpaceBoy64 Date: Dec 7, 2004 5:33pm
Forum: prelinger Subject: Re: making DVD from MPEG2 hi res format

After days of frustrating trial and error, I was finally able to make my DVD compilation.

I used TMPGEnc 3 XPress trial version to do the transcoding. I chose to split the video and audio into elementary streams and chose MP2 format for audio because my first test with PCM resulted in a silent movie. PCM should be playable with Windows Media player, but TMPGEnc wasn't adding the right type of header.
I then started to use Sonic's MyDVD, but had many crashes, sometimes requiring me to re-install the program. I did manage to use it to create a motion menu mpeg file which I used in DVD Lab.
I had some problems with it too, but then I realized that it was because I was trying to use my external firewire hard drive, which is Mac formatted and uses the MacDrive software for PC access. Some bug was causing my whole computer to reboot whenever I tried to write large files to it. When I cleared enough space to use my main hard drive, it seemed to work okay - the second time around. DVD Lab seems to be a pretty good program with a lot of flexibility. I brought in the motion menu mpeg and quickly created highlights over the buttons and linked them with the movies. I even added a film projector sound to the menu.
I found that the movies that were 368x480 didn't look as good as the movies that had been 480x480. They had vertical artifacting from being stretched out to 720x480, but it's not too bad. The 480x480 films look just fine. They were the ones that played fine on my DVD player as they were, I guess since that size is SVCD standard.

Thanks to everyone who helped,
Don

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Poster: Skip Elsheimer Date: Dec 7, 2004 11:32pm
Forum: prelinger Subject: Re: making DVD from MPEG2 hi res format

Whew, Don, you went through a lot, but I'm glad it worked out for you!

Skip

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Poster: Visual16 Date: Dec 8, 2004 7:54pm
Forum: prelinger Subject: Re: making DVD from MPEG2 hi res format

I have found an amazing way to make TMPGEnc work (seriously!)a lot better by placing these special "DVDHelp.us" custom made template files in the "templates" folder and moving the regular ones away to a temp folder. It's freeware from http://www.dvdhelp.us Getting them from there is sort of a maze but the site itself is a great, free resource! Anyway, what used to be that ugly checkerboard pixelation was gone when I switched to these tiny 6kb files. There is one for each format that TMPGEnc does. Remember to place the default templates (.mcf files)in another folder before running the program. You will love the results!

This post was modified by Visual16 on 2004-12-09 03:53:23

This post was modified by Visual16 on 2004-12-09 03:54:33

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Poster: thejake420 Date: Feb 6, 2005 1:43pm
Forum: prelinger Subject: Re: making DVD from MPEG2 hi res format

Hiya -

I'm Jake, the owner of DVDHelp.us, and creator of the DVDHelp.us TMPGEnc templates. I just happened to notice this thread while going through my site's recent logs (been getting a lot of hits from this thread... thanks!), and wanted to mention that the templates were updated a couple of times over the last year or so, so be sure to grab the latest version.

Also, since it was mentioned that the site can be a bit of a maze (it's an absolutely HUGE site...), you can access the download page for the DVDHelp.us TMPGEnc templates here:

http://www.dvdhelp.us/templates.html

Check them out, use them, pass them around to friends... It's 100% freeware. Always will be. :)

Mainly due to the fact that I run a video-related tech support site, I happen to be an expert TMPGEnc user, and I just wanted to help everybody out, since TMPGEnc can be a major pain in the butt for beginners. It is, however, worth investing the time to learn, as it is a professional quality MPEG encoder. In fact, it is routinely used by video game companies to render the video sequences in "cut-scenes" (the little movies after you beat a boss or finish a level, etc.)

Anyway, thanks for stopping by, and definitely tell your friends about DVDHelp.us. It's totally free, and it's one of the best resources ever for video-related tech support, especially MPEG format.


Jake
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Webmaster
http://www.DVDHelp.us

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